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Rev. Peter Thacher[1]

Male 1549 - Bef 1624  (~ 79 years)


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  • Name Peter Thacher 
    Title Rev. 
    Born Between 1545 and 1549  [2
    Gender Male 
    Died Bef 07 May 1624  Queen Camel, Somersetshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [3
    Buried Queen Camel, Somersetshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [4
    • probably||although there is no record of it
    Notes 


    • The first identification with Rev. Peter1 Thacher with Queen Camel which we have was discovered by Ralph Partridge Emilius Thacher, brother of Hon. Peter Thacher of Newton, Mass., who made extensive Thacher research in England. In searching the records of the British Museum in London for Thacher material he ran across the Hugo manuscripts, which, as explained below, contain the "Institutions of Incumbents of various parishes in Somersetshire," and among them those of Queen Camel. The manuscript thus referred to is cataloged in the British Museum as "Hugo MSS. Ad. 30279, Vol. I, p. 155, East Camel or Queen's Camel." Title, "Institutions of Incumbents in Somersetshire." The manuscript is entirely in Latin, and on the margin at the top of the page (as Mr. Thacher interpreted it) is written "advocate to the abbot of Chrym:" Mr. Thacher saying that his translation of the first word may be incorrect and that it may not be "advocate." It has occurred to me that the proper translation of the word may be "adjoined to," "belonging to," or a dependency of, i.e., under the jurisdiction of the Abbot of Chrym. Following the heading there is written in red ink -- "East Camel, Abbot's Camel." Then follows a list of incumbents in regular order of succession from 1317 until we reach the following entries, viz.:

      "1566, May 13th. Will. Waller, cler, per resignation of Leonard Stafford, ad pres ejusdem (i.e., on his own presentation.)"

      "1574, December 4th, Pet Thatcher, cler per mort Will: Waller, as pres ejusdem. Cammell 45."

      "1624, May 7th, Joh. Picker, per mortem Peter Thatcher, as pres Humf. Mildmay. Mil Lake p. 138."

      and so on, the manuscript continues to June 4th 1732, and ends on that date with the following entry:

      "Carolus Brinsdon, A.B. per resignation of N.W., ad pres ejusdem."

      In the same manuscript at the top of one of the pages it is recorded that Queen Camel was taxed at the rate of ?10; which means that every incumbent, upon his installation as Vicar, had to give bonds to pay by installment the sum of ?10 in recognition of the benefice bestowed upon him. It is to be noted that most of the incumbents succeeding Peter1 Thacher at Queen Camel are recorded as B.A. or M.A., which gives rise to the question, as yet undetermined, wether Peter1 Thacher of Queen Camel was a graduate of a college or not. the fact of there being no B.A. or M.A., after his name is prima facie evidence that he was not a college graduate; and yet it may be proven later that he was, and that the record given above is defective to this extent.

      From the 40th Report of the Deputy Keeper of Public Records (England) (appx. 2 p. 477), a class of document the examination of which ought on no account be omitted by genealogists, we have the following extract in regard to the "Subsidy Rolls," viz: "The principal value of the 'Subsidy Rolls' is genealogical. The wills containing the names of the persons assessed are extremely valuable as establishing links in pedigrees which without these rolls would be missing. The Americans have used them to a great extent. They can then avail themselves of the Parish Register, a large portion of which they are saved from searching through the assistance of the 'Subsidy Rolls.' The rank in life of the person assessed may also be deduced by the amounts they paid."

      In these "Subsidy Rolls" every person instituted to a benefice had to give bonds for the payment by installment of the "First Fruits" of such benefice. Two sureties were required with each bond, and they were naturally in all cases, relations, connections or near friends of the incumbent; thus in many instances giving valuable clues as to family relationship. The kind of information furnished is seen hereafter in the record of the Composition of Peter1 Thacher, Vicar of East Camel (Queen Camel) in the time of Elizabeth.

      Although the First Fruit Composition Book fails to elucidate the family connections of Rev. Peter1 Thacher of Queen Camel, it is of much interest in bringing to light his connection with Sir Walter Mildmay, and thus stamping Rev. Peter1 Thacher of Queen Camel as a Puritan of the deepest dye. Sir Walter Mildmay was notorious as a grantee to an enormous extent of the confiscated property of the church, and even more notorious as being more puritanical than the puritans themselves. In his latter days, doubtless under the prick of a conscience not altogether dead, he disgorged a trifling portion of his ill-gotten wealth by the foundation of Emanuel College of the University of Cambridge. This college has a portrait of him painted for it in 1588; and the ring, a present from the great Queen Elizabeth, which he represented as wearing in the portrait, is still in the possession of a descendant of his elder brother. Such being the character of the patron of the living, there can be no doubt as to the puritanism of Rev. Peter1 Thacher of Queen Camel, the recipient of the benefice.

      The following is an extract from the First Fruits Composition Book (Subsidy Rolls) referring to Rev. Peter1 Thacher of Queen Camel, viz.:

      "16th February--17th Elizabeth
      Somerset. Este Cammell in the gift of Sir Walter Mildmay, Knight
      Peter Thatcher, clerk, compounded for the First Fruits of the Vicarage aforesaid valued at ?17. 16sh 10?d. a tenth thereof 35sh. 8d.
      Michaelmas. 1575
      Annunciation. 1576
      Michaelmas. 1576
      Annunciation. 1577
      16li. 9?d.

      William Doddington of the Middle Temple, London, gent., and Leonard Doddington of the household of Sir Walter Mildmay, Knight, are bound."

      This document shows that Rev. Peter1 Thacher of Queen Camel on the 16th day of February in the 17th year of the reign of Queen Elizabeth paid 35sh and 8d. down as part payment of the tax assessed of ?17. 16sh 10?d. on the living of the Vicarage of Queen Camel bestowed upon him by Sir Walter Mildmay; and the bondsmen named guaranteed that he would pay the remainder in four installments, amounting in total to ?16 9?d., on the dates above mentioned.

      We thus see Rev. Peter1 Thacher installed as Vicar of Queen Camel, December 4th, 1574, and there he remained as Vicar until his death, the exact date of which is unknown, but which must have occurred before May 7th, 1624, the date of the appointment of his successor who was appointed after his death.

      The British Gazeteer thus describes Queen Camel:

      "A parish in the hundred of Cabash in Somerset; 5 miles east if Ilchester, its post town on the river Camel. Formerly a market town of some importance. The living is a vicarate in the Diocese of Bath and Wells; church name St. Barnabas. A hill in the town commands a fine view; forty-one towns and villages may be seen from it."

      Where Rev. Peter1 Thacher was born has not yet been discovered, nor the exact date of his birth; but he must have been born as early as 1549, and possibly as early as 1545, in order to have been Vicar of Queen Camel in 1574. The laws of the Church of England at that time (and possibly also at the present time) required that a candidate for orders in the church should be over twenty-three years of age to be ordained a deacon; and also decreed that he could not be ordained a full priest until two years thereafter. Assuming, therefore, that Rev. Peter1 Thacher was installed as Vicar of Queen Camel shortly after taking his orders as a priest, he must have been at least twenty-five years old on December 4th, 1574; and hence he was born at least twenty-five years previous to that date, or in 1549 at the latest, and probably a few years earlier. Where he lived previous to his installation at Queen Camel is not known. The existence of a large settlement of Thachers in Somerset in the 16h Century points to the possibility of that being the county of his birth, as well as of his residence; but we have no positive proof that such was the case. The presentation to him by Sir Walter Mildmay of the living of Queen Camel, and his First Fruits Compositon bond having been signed by a member of Sir Walter's household, points to the possibility that he was well known to Sir Walter; and he may have been born and have resided in the vicinity of Sir Walter's home and may possibly have been his relative; investigation along this line of suggestion may result in further information on the subject, which time has prevented my doing. The exact date of his death is also unknown; but he died previous to May 7th, 1624, on which date his successor was appointed "per mortem" Peter Thatcher. Where he was buried is also not a matter of record in any form or shape; but as he was Vicar of St. Barnabas' Church for 50 years, it is almost positive that he was buried in that church; especially so as his son and family are there buried, as is proven by gravestones still there to their memories. When he married and to whom is also unknown; in fact we have not one item of information in regard to his wife. That he was married, however, is known as the Diocesan transcript of Queen Camel Register gives the record of the burial at Queen Camel on August 3d, 1602, of Giles, son of Peter Thacher. Rev. Peter1 Thacher's 1st child, Rev. Peter2 Thacher of Salisbury (i.e., 1st child of whom we have definite record) was born 1587-8.

      Assuming Rev. Peter1 Thacher to have been at least 25 years of age when installed at Queen Camel in 1574, he would have been 38 years old at the date of birth of his first known child; an age so advanced as to suggest the birth of children previous to 1587-8, of whom we have no record. It is, therefore, possible that Giles2 Thacher and Thomas2 Thacher may both have been born previous to this date.

      Rev. Peter1 Thacher was at Queen Camel as Vicar 1574-1624, full 50 years; and he must have kept some sort of register of his parish during that long time; but it has disappeared. The first entry of the earliest existing register of that parish is 1629, subequent to the death of Rev. Peter1 Thacher. The Diocesan transcript at Wells of the Queen Camel Register contains no entries previous to 1601; and thence on to 1623, inclusive all of the entries therein are signed "Peter Thacher, vicar;" but none of these entries throw any light upon his marriage, nor in any way give any record of his wife. [5]
    Person ID I6144  tree1
    Last Modified 21 Jun 2018 

    Children 
     1. Peter Thacher,   b. Abt 1587, Queen Camel, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 11 Feb 1640/41, Salisbury, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 54 years)
     2. Antony Thacher,   b. About 1588, Queen Camel, Somersetshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Between 30 Jun 1667 and 22 Aug1667, Yarmouth, Barnstable County, Massachusetts Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 79 years)
     3. John Thacher,   b. Abt 1590, Queen Camel, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Between 21 Feb 1653 and 25 Feb 1653  (Age ~ 63 years)
     4. Giles Thacher,   b. Abt 1591, Queen Camel, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Aug 1602, Queen Camel, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 11 years)
     5. Thomas Thacher,   b. Abt 1593, Queen Camel, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Aug 1650  (Age ~ 57 years)
    Last Modified 21 Jun 2018 
    Family ID F605  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Last Modified 21 Jun 2018 
    Family ID F6476  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Sources 
    1. [S192] Thacher-Thatcher Genealogy Yarmouth Branch, Totten, John R., (New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, New York, 1910), pp. 24-28.

    2. [S192] Thacher-Thatcher Genealogy Yarmouth Branch, Totten, John R., (New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, New York, 1910), p. 24.

    3. [S192] Thacher-Thatcher Genealogy Yarmouth Branch, Totten, John R., (New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, New York, 1910), p. 27.

    4. [S192] Thacher-Thatcher Genealogy Yarmouth Branch, Totten, John R., (New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, New York, 1910), p. 25.

    5. [S192] Thacher-Thatcher Genealogy Yarmouth Branch, Totten, John R., (New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, New York, 1910), pp. 18-19, 25-28.